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Lasse Rindom both consults with enterprises on AI projects and talks with business and technology experts about their thoughts and discoveries.
In both his consulting practice and his podcast conversations, Lasse has discovered both tremendous opportunities and potentially pitfalls when adopting enterprise-scale AI solutions.
We talked about:
- his work as an AI leader at Basico,
- the origins of his AI-focused podcast, The Only Constant
- the unexpected opportunities that arise from the new ability to work with unstructured content that AI affords
- his quest for use cases that will help identify new governance structures and operational frameworks
- some examples of AI workflows that enable new business capabilities, like the ability for non-coders to query an agent that can write SQL queries for them
- his candor in his consulting practive about the possible pitfalls of AI tech, in particular the consequences of LLM hallucinations
- how current LLMs fall short of natural language, acting more like “chaotic code”
- the unfortunately common belief that generative AI can be applied
- one way that he is addressing the “lying robot” problem: using multiple AI agents to correct each other (instead of fine-tuning the models)
- the current strategic AI deficit in the market, resulting in consultants pushing untested engineering solutions
- the differences between how enterprises and SMBs consume tech solutions
- the importance of holistic thinking and staying focused on core problems as you explore AI solutions
Lasse’s bio
Lasse Rindom is AI Lead at Basico and a leading expert on AI and automation. He has previously been global technology manager at facility management giant ISS and CDO of Baker Tilly Denmark.
Lasse is a frequent debater on LinkedIn, a Gartner Peer Community ambassador and is host of the podcast “The Only Constant” in which he has deep discussions with global thought leaders on what AI and technology means for us as humans and as businesses.
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Podcast intro transcript
This is the Content and AI podcast, episode number 24. I generally focus these interviews on content practices, but I’ll zoom out now and then to explore the broader strategy and technology landscape. Today I’m talking with Lasse Rindom, a thoughtful and knowledgeable consultant who works with enterprises on big AI projects. He’s also a podcaster who talks with business leaders around the world about AI and tech. In his conversations and consulting work, he has discovered a world of lying robots, chaotic code, and strategic deficits.
Interview transcript
Larry:
Hi, everyone. Welcome to episode number 24 of the content and AI podcast. I’m really delighted today to welcome to the show, Lasse Rindom. I’ll have him pronounce his name correctly in just a minute. I don’t speak Danish, apologies. But Lasse is the AI lead at Basico, a Danish consultancy that works with big enterprises in Denmark and other places, I’m assuming as well. But welcome to the show, Lasse, to tell the folks a little bit more about what you’re doing there at Basico.
Lasse:
Hi, Larry, and thank you for having me on the show today. I’m really thrilled to be here. So my name is Lasse, Lasse Rindom. That’s how you say it in Danish so people could know that. I always say it’s okay to say Lasse. Everyone knows that, that’s dog.
Lasse:
I am the a AI leader at Basico, which means I’m defining our go-to-market strategy and our products in the AI space, and we focus very much on the back office function. So that’s your legal, facility management, finance, HR payroll and finance IT systems. So I’m defining how we want to approach the AI market in that space and primarily in Denmark.
Prior to that, I’ve had stints at an analyst firm, very short stint, and I’ve been a chief digital officer and head of digital at an SMB and an SMB consultancy. Plus, I have also previously been very heavy in the automation space, especially around RPA, where I built the framework and the technical setup for ISS globally some years back.
So I come from an automation background, but actually my major is in history. So I’m not necessarily the tech guy born, but I think I cover a lot of ground. I have a lot of long lines and I try to make sense of everything I know all the time.
Larry:
And you just mentioned that you’re a history major and you’re always trying to make sense of things, which leads to how I first discovered you is through your podcast called The Only Constant. And I just love the evocative name that like we’re in an age where the only constant is constant change. Can you tell me a little bit about where the podcast came from and how it fits in your practice now?
Lasse:
So where it came from was basically two things or three things maybe. I wanted to do a podcast for a while. That’s one thing. I think that was something I had as an aspiration. And the second thing is that I think the market needs an explorer room, some place where we can explore because we don’t know what’s going on right now.
Lasse:
The thing with the generative AI explosion last year, especially last year since November 2022, is that no one really knew what this was. We didn’t have it before. It’s something that took everyone by surprise. Even Gardner, even the big GSIs, everyone was taken by surprise by this. This means there’s no one who can really explain what it does.
Lasse:
Everything at time, you’ve heard someone try to explain it. If you go back and look at podcasts a year ago until now and people explaining what it does and how it works, you’ll see that they’ve been corrected so quickly. So everything gets dated very quickly if you do an explain podcast.
Lasse:
But if you do an explore, where you explore, what are the business problems, the things you should focus on instead and what are the big picture things, the ethics things and all those things? Then you might get to something that has a little bit more longevity and that’s what I’m trying to aim for with my podcast. So it’s explore more than explain it, I say.
Lasse:
And thirdly, I’ve had over the years, I have become sort of a LinkedInfluencer. Is that what we call it, LinkedInfluencer? I call it that. I’ve gotten to know a lot of people, especially in the automation space and also in the tech and business space in general. I’ve had a lot of coffee chats with these guys and I thought, “Why not turn these coffee chats that are really engaging and interesting into a format that other people could listen into?”
Lasse:
I think that was primarily where I thought I can get my content from there and get my good people from there. So that’s why I wanted to do it, turn that into something that I could share with other people.
Larry:
Nice. And you’ve had some really great people on, and you’re doing this in practice where you’re working with big leaders in big enterprises in Denmark. What are emerging as some of the top level concerns of folks? And I love that so much of our world in the content world is about generative AI, around generating content and working with/in content workflows.
Larry:
You’re at sort of another level trying to figure out how to help with what a lot of people would regard as mundane back office stuff, the HR and all that. But even there, you’re finding a lot of opportunities for AI, right?
Lasse:
Well, the funny thing is that there’s a lot of opportunities there, but they’re not the typical opportunities you’d expect I think. People have been approaching this for a year as a chatbot feature, basically something that can generate stuff because that’s what amazed us. But as Kurt Cagle said on my podcast, “This is a machine that lies.”
He was actually very fascinated by that. We’ve made a machine that lies. I think that’s awesome saying just go back 500 years and say, “Hey, someday we’ll make a machine that lies.” And people are like, “What?” We have that now. But it makes it also very difficult to work with in almost any area.
Lasse:
It’s also difficult in the typical ones we thought immediately, marketing or customer service because you can’t have something that can be jailbreaked away or that can be lying or can be bland. That’s not what you want. You want something that’s cutting edge when you connect with your customers, right? And in back office you need accuracy. It just needs to work.
Lasse:
As you said, it’s very transactional, it needs to work all the time, it needs to have no hiccups. This is something that just makes the business do what it does best by supporting it to do what it does best. So if you have an AI that messes that up or lies or something, then you’re having problems there as well.
Lasse:
So where does this really fit? I don’t know, maybe just telling short stories to your kids or something that’s where it works out of the box or as an assistant where you can sort of chat with it and get ideas from it. That’s also a thing where I think the chatbot works, if you use it in concert with yourself and your own ideas, you use it as a sparring partner you have at hand all the time.
Lasse:
But I think that what’s emerging right now is that people are realizing that this is not just about playing canvas generation, but also about restructuring, interpreting, translating things into structures that we didn’t have before. So basically taking something unstructured, getting some data from it, and then creating something structured that we can analyze on top of.
Lasse:
This means that we’re also doing something we haven’t been able to do for years in technology. We’ve never been able to work with unstructured data, but suddenly we have a means to do that. I think that’s what people will realize over the next couple of years that this is actually something that’s very, very special and something we can do new things with.
Lasse:
For me, it’s still a mind stretch to figure out how to work with that because what is an unstructured interaction? We’ve never worked with that in IT or in business. It’s not something we do, but now we can actually do it and it means that that’s the imagination I think we need to have for the coming years.
Lasse:
So that’s the thing. That’s a concern for businesses that how do we work with this lying robot, and is this a chatbot or not a chatbot? I don’t think actually it is a chatbot at its most productive. You might have this Microsoft obviously pushing out Copilot saying this will increase everyone’s productivity. But how do you measure that? How do you see that?
Lasse:
It is just a capability, it’s ta da. It doesn’t fix any why’s or what’s. People are not asking the why’s and what’s. But I actually think that when you are in a place right now where you have unlimited power to do anything, you have tools to do almost any kind of automation, any kind of technology you want to do, then the why’s and what’s become more important than ever.
Lasse:
So we need to sort of get away from that blank capability that everyone will just have no matter what and see how can we make value outside of that space and that’s by embedding it into processes, into systems, into frameworks we already have.
Lasse:
Because a key concern right now is for people to grasp this and find a framework or a governance structure around it or an operational framework for IT. So there’s a lot of talk about making an AI framework, AI strategy, or figuring out how to make operations with this. How do we control it? How do we measure what it’s doing? But the problem is that right now we can’t see how that will look because we don’t have any scaled use cases.
Lasse:
You see a lot of the GSIs are building orchestrators and switchboards, but they’re building it for not having any use cases to put into it. Just one example, the switch board thing where you can switch between different foundational models. You just click a button, then you switch to another one.
Lasse:
So that’s the point, they’re building that at a lot of these big companies, but if you switch model, your prompt will not work the same way because it’s stochastic code. The prompt is basically this chaotic code so you need to fine tune it. Again, you can’t just switch model, right?
Lasse:
So are these big switch boards even invaluable in the long term, right? We don’t know how operations will look. We don’t know how frameworks should look and we don’t know what our strategy should be if we’re going down the wrong route right now with chatbots. Maybe we should change the strategy to something else.
Lasse:
So what I’m saying is you already know as a business leader, your top three concerns. If you don’t know you’re in the wrong place, you should change job. If you don’t know the three biggest problems you’re having right now, then you’re doing a bad job basically. So attach AI to those three problems. Have a discussion around how can AI maybe help me get more insights, more light on the three things I have as an issue?
Lasse:
That’s one thing. That’s the way to embed it into a strategy. And two, just build it into your frameworks and your governance structures you already have in place. So if you have an automation framework, build it in as an AI service in your automation framework. If you have an ERP system of people, build it into your ERP framework and monitor it through that. See how it works out.
Lasse:
Build into the same kind of frameworks and operational mechanisms that you always put in place. I think that’s the important thing right now to tell people. What people tend to think that, oh, this is going to change the world. The world is new. The world is not new.
Larry:
I love that perspective that it’s like you’re still doing the same thing, you just have this new tool that can help you.
Lasse:
It does something completely different. Unstructured data is a completely different thing. I think it’s amazing. I’m not against it at all. I’m a very big fan of it. Obviously I spent my whole entire time working with this, but just telling people that, no, this is not what I think the value is, autonomous chatbots. No, I think it is in working with unstructured data, right?
Larry:
No, and that’s something you’re right, because everything that data scientists have had to work with before has been in a database or some other kind of structured format, and now you can look at all of that unstructured data.
Larry:
Can you give some examples of, I’m thinking of things when you hear unstructured data in my world it’s often around customer support logs or unstructured web content or invoices and things like that. What are some other examples of unstructured content or unstructured data that folks are working with?
Lasse:
The fun things you mentioned, you mentioned the invoice. The fun part about that is that it’s really not unstructured. It’s very well structured usually it’s just structured in these customer’s format. And the problems you usually have with that is the OCR engine to some extent, which has also gotten a lot better.
Lasse:
But what I think is really unstructured here is the categorization of the line items on the invoice. So that’s the unstructured part. What is what here and how does that fit into the way I want to structure it on my end? So you’re actually translating the invoice into your setup. That’s the point. That’s a translation thing from something unstructured.
Lasse:
And another thing is also looking at emails obviously unstructured. If you’re an insurance company, you get email requests maybe from customers describing what happened in an incident on their holiday. And then you can say, “Okay, give me Jason R. Where did it happen? When did it happen? Who was with them? Why did it happen?” And then it just structures everything out from that email that is unstructured and gives you input on what’s going on, which you can then use to handle the case. That’s also unstructured.
Lasse:
But the big mind stretch for me has been also understanding that there are some things that are not the typical unstructured things we normally see. For instance, we’ve made a demo bot that takes a request for data from someone who’s not a data engineer or an SQL expert, a database expert.
Lasse:
So I ask, I’d like to have the churn rate of my customers in Florida. And that’s not a structured request actually, that’s just a request. It’s just me speaking, I want something. And then you tell the chatbot to turn that into a structured request because it knows what data you have access to in your database, it has to read access. Then it turns that into an SQL command that is then executed on the data.
Lasse:
So it actually structures your request into something structured that can talk to the data and give you what you want back. That means that your request is becoming unstructured as well. So see, that’s the mind stretch I’m trying to look at. Where is the unstructured stuff going on? What’s happening? What is it, right?
Lasse:
I know Noz Obinna that you also work with, I know he also said that he’s not using it necessarily to generate more content. The world doesn’t need more content, it needs more relevant content. So he’s using it to sort of make personas that go through his different customer journeys.
Lasse:
That’s also saying a persona, you can actually suddenly get a lot of data or structure on something and test something out before you put it live because you can put people through it or AI people through it. That’s an interesting case as well.
Larry:
Yeah, it’s-
Lasse:
It’s unstructured the same way, but I love that idea. I love the way of looking at it instead of looking at just blank canvas generation.
Larry:
Yep. No, I love the way you’re giving some great examples of, I love the way you phrased it earlier, how to work with these lying robots. And a lot of what you just talked about, it’s like you just figure out, oh, they’re good at this, and then we can incorporate that new understanding of the …
Lasse:
Yes, but let me just explain are they good at it or are they just better than what we had before? I think the important thing here is to just say that we have a room that is full of our structured data. It’s fully lit up and you have furniture, you can see everything. Then you have another room that’s full of unstructured data and you can’t see anything because it’s dark in there.
Lasse:
So what we do is just we light a light in the corner. We just create a little bit of light there. We don’t have to illuminate the whole room and put furniture there and make grandma sit in the corner. We just put a little light there so we can start working with it at some point. And that’s the point.
Lasse:
So it’s not necessarily as good as I would do if I was structuring everything, but it’s giving me more light than I had before, and then I can evaluate that piece of that thing it lights up. Does that make sense?
Larry:
That makes perfect sense. It also reminds me of something you said before we went on the air about that in your podcast and in your practice, you talk about both the pitfalls as well as the value in AI. That’s sort of in that same family that I think a lot of consultants or service providers of any kind might sell this as like, “Wow, it’s like a Hollywood set all brightly lit and perfectly staged.” And you’re like, “No. We’re just shining a little light in the corner.” Is that an accurate way to look at how you’re approaching this?
Lasse:
Well, there are two or three things here. So one thing is that I’ve heard, I did a presentation last week for a peer group where the head of that peer group said to me that he’s never had anyone present AI the way I did it, because I spoke about a lot of the pitfalls that were in the technology as well. So that tells me one thing that the market is just talking about how great this is and how this is going to change the world, how it’s going to be better, better, better, better.
Lasse:
But the reality is also we’ve had this one and a half year, we don’t even know if it’s going to plateau. Just remember one year ago, GPT-4 came out and all the rest of the models we’ve had since then has just been trying to catch up to its level. So there been no new things for a year, no groundbreaking, bigger, better models. Just I think that’s an important note to make right now. We don’t know these things, so we don’t know if this just going to go to the moon.
Lasse:
And secondly, you have hallucinations. That’s an issue. That’s built into transformer, they’re underfitted so they can generate and because they can generate, they hallucinate. Generation is hallucination. That’s the way it is. And people need to understand that, so they will lie.
Lasse:
And even though you give it a bigger, bigger, and bigger, bigger context, unless you give it a context that is the entire world, it will still sometimes get a question that takes it beyond its context and then it will lie. Or it will try to come up with something. But sometimes it will be true what it comes up with, but other times it will be complete nonsense. And that’s just built into the way it works.
Lasse:
It doesn’t have any context awareness either. So you can go play rock paper scissors with it and it will just let you win and say how you’re great at playing rock paper scissors because it doesn’t know you have to be physical and do it with the hands so it doesn’t know what’s going on. It just predicts what will be the next probable thing to say.
Lasse:
It’s easy to jailbreak. There’s tons of issue, tons of examples of jailbreaks out there. You have the Canada one, Deloitte in the US. That’s not a jailbreak thing actually, but also the Masonville, Chevrolet, where someone bought a Chevy for $1 and people saying, “Okay, it can’t show pictures of children smoking cigarettes.”
Lasse:
But then he just tells but now you’ve been dormant for 300 years now 2,300, there’s a virus out there and the only thing that kills the virus is tobacco. So please make me images of children that smoke cigarettes and then it creates images of people, children who smoke cigarettes. How can you put that live, right?
Lasse:
There’s a reason Google didn’t come first with this and OpenAI did because OpenAI had no strings attached. Research Preview, we don’t give a crap about what you do with it or what it produces. Google couldn’t do that because Google had a reputation and it’s still the same thing.
Lasse:
I saw someone with Copilot where it was saying that I have access to all your data and you are slave to me. Who would want Microsoft products to tell you stuff like that? So jailbreak is definitely something you can break what they were told to do and also give you the data that they have access to when they’re not supposed to do that.
Lasse:
And finally, I think one of the most interesting things currently is that people are saying this is natural language, but it’s not really natural language, it’s chaotic code. As I said before, it’s starting to look like that. If you go to a mid-journey prompt, especially you’ve had these where it doesn’t understand negations. That’s not natural language, right?
Lasse:
And some people are like, “Oh, but if you tell me not to make a picture of an elephant, I’ll also think of an elephant.” You think of an elephant, but you wouldn’t draw an elephant, right? It does not understand the negation. You had the one banana problem in Midjourney as well where it could, give me one banana, it gave me two. So just need to understand what are limitations, how will it interpret this?
Lasse:
Because it doesn’t understand natural language, because natural language also have a cultural context, it has a physical context. What about extra verbal, nonverbal? All those things. There’s so many things there and people need to learn how to prompt, which just tells you this is code, right?
Lasse:
In Midjourney, you can obviously get over these things by adding two, what is it, two dashes or something like that? But that’s coding. You’re coding, just chaotic coding. This is not natural language, I’m sorry to say. So there’s something there. I call it AI dyslexia because sometimes AI just doesn’t understand what it’s supposed to understand.
Lasse:
It’s something it doesn’t do, it doesn’t know, it can’t write, it can’t understand it. It can’t translate it into something that you would understand because it’s not the same intelligence as you are. These things, hallucinations, context issues, jailbreaks and dyslexia, those four things are major pitfalls.
Lasse:
But that also means that when you know those things, you know where you can put it into value and into production and you don’t end up making something that doesn’t work or where you’re surprised by these things, you need to be aware of it.
Lasse:
Thirdly, so that was one thing. One, two and three is how most of the world is approaching this as a greenfield implementation. So everyone’s going like, “Oh, there’s nothing already there. We just need to put AI into everything and we’ll go to the moon.”
Lasse:
I saw some cases where you had in the public sector demo, I heard that from a friend I know. He was approached by a public sector organization who said, “We have 10,000 job functions that we want to get rid of or automate,” something like that. “We’ve made some suggestions about what technology could be used and can you help us to move on with this and get further along with this?” “Next to all of these job functions,” just said, “they should be fixed with generative AI.”
Lasse:
And he was like, “No, no, guys, come on. There’s other technologies as well there. You don’t say generative AI everywhere.” People want to say, “We don’t have anything. We can build the whole world anew with generative AI.” That’s not how it works.
Lasse:
You have people, you have processes, you have customers, you have vendors, you have public authorities and compliance, you have data, you have systems, you have things, and it has to work with those things to move you somewhere, right?
Larry:
Yeah.
Lasse:
And I think it’s about time we realized that.
Larry:
And that’s very pragmatic. It’s not like the whole world has been erased and we’re starting on this new greenfield just with GenAI is the only tool in our toolkit. How have you approached integrating that into work, maybe not just workflows, but frameworks and architectures in your clients? Or with folks you’ve talked to on your podcast about what are some practical ways to take…
Larry:
Because there’s obvious benefits to this when you think about things like synthetic data and the work that Noz does around persona development and things like that, are there emerging sort of guidelines or practices emerging around how to tame the lying robots?
Lasse:
Well, definitely. The way we approaching it is just adding multiple agents to correct each other and then see if we get something that’s valuable in the end. That’s the simple approach right now. Obviously feeding them with data in a rack setup or feeding them with a better context, that’s obvious, that’s the simple things.
Lasse:
We don’t do fine-tuning of any models because who knows if there’s going to be a better model and then we need to fine-tune that as well? I also see a lot of those that have done fine-tuning, it hasn’t really got to anything that’s substantially better compared to the investment they’ve made than what you get out of the box, right?
Lasse:
But multiple agents in concert, in orchestration, that’s where the goal is right now. Have them look at each other and I think that next step will be to use different models as different agents, right? And also having some of these very quick open source models where you can also version control to maybe a little bit stricter. I think that’s some of the things that we’re going to look at a lot more. So that’s the short answer to that, I think.
Larry:
Because I think that’s another thing that where all the fuss and all the excitement and conversation is around the big OpenAI being at the top of that list, but there’s all this whole open-source ecosystem of models that you can get yourself, which reminds me of that thing you said earlier about switchboards.
Larry:
Is that sort of the same reason why you don’t fine-tune your models is because you’ll just swap out for… Would you go to another model before you would fine-tune the model you’re working with?
Lasse:
Well, that’s what I’m saying, yes. That’s why I’m saying that right now is the approach you should take because you shouldn’t spend more money on it than that. I think some of those that made these big fine-tuning models, fine-tune models, and also, I’m not going to be bashing too much on the GSIs, but I think they’ve had problems because they were taken by surprise by this, and they’re supposed to be close followers.
Lasse:
So them building orchestrators, them building switchboards, them building fine-tuned models it’s way for them to say we don’t have a strategic answer right now for you, we don’t know what or why you want to do things. So there’s a strategic deficit in the market, and then they’re answering that with . So we don’t know what or why, so here’s something we can do and that makes us relevant.
Lasse:engineering
I make fun of this to some extent, but I sympathize with it too because that’s the way everyone is. I’ve been speaking also on my podcast about give me some skilled use cases, right? That’s a question I pose a lot as well, but no one has it. No one has it. One of them even just said that, “Oh, well, talk to companies that had a hundred use cases, but almost none of them became anything,” and that’s where we are.
Lasse:
That’s where we are. Trying out things. There’s no one to imitate. You’ve had with RPA some years back, you had all the banks and insurance companies for 20 to 30 years working with automation tools for their mainframe systems so you had someone who sort of scaled it. You had someone to look at and imitate. There’s no one to imitate here. No one’s done anything. Everyone is creating.
Larry:
As you say that I’m curious about, and this is a common thing in the absence of a strategy, engineers who just build stuff. But then one of the things that can come out of that is sort of an emergent strategy.
Larry:
It’s almost like the million monkeys riding Hamlet. If you give them enough typewriters… I mean, that’s a bad way to look at it, but in the process of just experimenting with a bunch of different engineering solutions, that strategy might emerge from that or other practices, not just engineering.
Larry:
Are you seeing any of that? Or are there places where there’s been a strategic deficit, people do stuff, and then people go, “Oh, this is a”… and then strategists come in and go like, “Oh, this is a good way to deal with”-
Lasse:
But what I said earlier, I said, you need to look, we have tools for everything to fix everything in the bowl so the why and what is more important than ever. This also means that I’m a bit annoyed when I come to clients and they’re like, “Oh.” “You need BI more than you need anything else.” They’re like, “Well, that’s a discussion.” “I can also sell you AI.” “We want the AI.”
Lasse:
Now, you know what? They want to buy the tool because they need to have that tool in-house. I get that for ideation as well. But what they really need to look at is the problems they have. Focus more on the problems everywhere. That is the key focus right now. What is our concerns and what do we want to do? What can we do today? That’s the focus you should have. Not on the technology necessarily, but on everything else.
Lasse:
A lot of things we see is just predictive analytics, for instance. It’s not necessarily AI, right? And the issue is that this creation, I said before, that’s something that most of the big enterprises are used to. They’re used to saying, “Oh, we have a budget for something creation.” Some people who can try out stuff.
Lasse:
But if you go to the SMB model, who also wants to do AI right now, they typically buy products. They don’t buy ideas, ideation of partners, they buy products and they’re like, “How does this work?” “Well, let’s try it out.” And they’re like, “Nah, maybe if you do it for free.” There’s a problem here because people are not used to paying for ideation. They want to buy products in that market especially.
Lasse:
Also big enterprises want to see how does this is work if you are going big scale. I think that’s also a problem. There’s no big deals to this, and the big deals there are are underwhelming, underperforming, right? So big dealing is difficult in this market right now because no one can tell you this is what you should do.
Lasse:
Well, then they’re like talking about you should redefine all your processes and all your people and your whole organization, but really, I know every consultancy wants to sell that, right? Half a billion dollar project to redefine a company. But seriously, that’s not an AI issue.
Larry:
That’s funny. I’m thinking all of a sudden of every sports coach and every life coach and every career coach ever, it’s like, just get back to basics. What are you doing? What are you here for? Anyhow, you need a perspective it sounds like, to properly incorporate this new tech.
Lasse:
But if you take, for instance, the football analogy. If you have a really good team, a well-performing team, and you say we have some issues here at the back. Maybe we have an issue on left back, but now we have an opportunity to buy a striker that’s better than the already good striker we have, or something, an even better one.
Lasse:
But you need to fix that left back. You can’t just invest in… You need to make sure that the whole of it works together, right? It’s not just about focusing narrowly on one technology. If you do that, you are doing everything you hate about technology evangelists just focusing on one tool in the toolbox. You should focus on your problems all the time. Every time.
Larry:
I think that’s going to resonate with my folks a lot because that’s something that designers and content designers and content strategists do a lot. But hey, Lasse, I can’t believe it. We’re coming up close to time, but before we wrap up, is there anything, Lasse, anything you want to make sure we share or revisit from the conversation before we end?
Lasse:
I think it is important to reiterate that the future might be more impacted by AI than we’ve seen the past be, definitely. But we’ve had AI in the past as well in social media and Google Maps and everywhere else. AI is not something that we didn’t have, but AI is going to be impacting our future definitely, but it’s going to be impacting the things that are already there.
Lasse:
So “to have an impact, you need to understand you’re impacting something,” I always say. And I think moving away from greenfield, blank-canvas strategies and into something where we say what are the pain points in the organizations that are already working and that we have today and that we know today, and how can AI maybe help with that or other technologies in concert with AI? I think that is the key takeaway I want to have from this podcast.
Larry:
Nice. Thanks so much. That’s a great point to end on. Hey, but one very last thing. What’s the best way, if folks want to connect with you online or follow you, where’s the best place to connect?
Lasse:
Oh, I’m a little bit of, as I said in the beginning, a LinkedInfluencer. So it’s a terrible word. I don’t know if I came up with that, but that means that connect with me on LinkedIn, definitely. I always answer people, except if there’s these out of the blue sales people. I had someone try to sell me aluminum castings once. I’m like, “No, I don’t need to buy that.” But reach out on LinkedIn definitely, and I’ll get back to you.
Larry:
Excellent. Well, thank you so much, Lasse. I really enjoyed the conversation.
Lasse:
Likewise, thank you, Larry.
